Blockchain Brad Interviews Ingo Rübe: Essential Credentials for Web 3.0

(Part 2 of 2)

“KILT Protocol: Essential Credentials for Web 3.0 | Trust Enabler | Universal Blockchain Protocol”
February 2021

Part 2 of Brad Laurie’s wide-ranging conversation with Ingo Rübe covers the below topics:

  1. Testnet to Parachain
  2. Looking to the Future
  3. Entrepreneurial Developers
  4. Berlin as Blockchain Hub
  5. Demo Client and KILT Faucet
  6. Proof of Stake
  7. KILT in the Real World
  8. A Rocket with Training Wheels
  9. KILT Competition
  10. Building Adoption

You can read Part 1 of the “Essential Credentials for Web 3.0” interview here. A PDF of the full interview is here.

Ingo [00:54:38] Well, right now we are in testnet mode. We want to go live as soon as possible. So actually from the tech side, including everything that we are claiming and what not, on the verifiable credential and DID side, we are ready to go. The testnet is out there for a year now and has been tested by lots of people. And we have got a lot of feedback and we improved a lot of things that we didn’t see in the beginning. And so I think from that side, we are ready to go.

The only thing that is currently missing is the parachain. We’re waiting for that. But that’s going to come out — maybe not in the next weeks, but in the next few months, definitely. So we will have that and we will take part in the first parachain auctions and hopefully get one of them. And then we are basically… the next thing coming up is the go-live of the network. So we are ready to go. Just some external dependencies which we have to clear up and then we’re good to go.

Brad [00:55:42] You absolutely must be excited because it’s been years in the making. Now one of the things I wanted to ask you, and I hope you don’t mind if I do, is the backers. Now often when we’ve seen in the last few years, there’s been a lot of money raised in all kinds of ways. Some are controversial, some are not. But ultimately, it’s the backers in the long term that I care about, and I hope others do, in the space. Because that’s how they support you long term. One of the worries I have is that some of them don’t and they’re just out for the capital and they dump the value of your whole economy, your whole system.

But from what I’m understanding about you is that you’ve also built so much in that paramount to everything, even the fear of that, is the utility itself of the system. So what are your thoughts on this? When it comes to backers, when it comes to the long term position for your economy, for the quality of the technology, for the team and for really pushing this whole thing forward. So that people can start to use this more and more around the world.

Ingo [00:56:42] Yeah, so, for backers, I think the fact that we are in this ecosystem from day one on basically, gives us a lot of connections to really nice people who back us. And they all come from the development circles. And I think it’s even more important to have those people behind you than to have a huge financial backer behind you. It’s always nice to have money in the bank. I think we do have some money in the bank which will actually give us the possibility to…

Brad [00:57:20] …have more runway as well. But the great thing is that you have the devs. You have real people building this, as backers.

Ingo [00:57:27] Yeah, especially in blockchain, things take longer than we thought. We have seen that with multiple things. Just look at Ethereum, how long we are waiting for Ethereum 2.0.

Brad [00:57:40] Yeah, and respectfully so I mention that. Because we do see a lot of promises come out. But I mean, they were first mover in terms of smart contracts, as you’d appreciate. But again, that’s why you’re moving.

Ingo [00:57:51] Also see that that’s things like when we do the social KYC and those KYC things, those will first emerge inside the blockchain world, right? And the blockchain world is relatively small. And then we have those projects, which we call the lighthouse projects, together with European governments; and stuff like that. But those projects, they also take a very long time.

So we are in front of a runway. We have to recognise that. It’s not like “Hey, we go live next Tuesday, then we have two hundred million users” — this is not going to happen. It’s going to be gradual, a ramp-up period. And we know that we need the funds to survive that. And we’re pretty OK with the funds that we have. So we are looking to a positive future.

Brad [00:58:41] And that’s the great thing. That’s the great thing, because that’s what is beautiful about the crypto community, is that they do come together from top to bottom, from high net worth to the average person who wants to contribute. And that is where the movement is also potentially revolutionary because there are so many people that want to support endeavours like yours, quite sincerely.

So there’s a lot of excitement for KILT out there, especially with the support and the brand and the integrity of the top tier Polkadot teams. That’s the truth. And you’re up there. We can see that code. We can see the collaborations that are emerging, the integrations. So there’s a really good positioning that you are in right now for 2021. I’m really excited to see what’s coming very soon. You mentioned the switch to live state from the testnet. That’s also ahead on the road map. So that’s all a big deal for everything from speculation hype all the way across to the imperative of having more credentials built in and more tinkering on the blockchain.

But what about things like market economies? We talked about trust built in, rather. So those trust market economies, they’re really important to everything that makes sense when you build this out and when it unfolds. So that it all is seamless and, I guess, it’s being self regulated and automating because the protocol’s done. Are you excited about the potential of this once everything goes live, Ingo?

Ingo [01:00:04] Yeah, definitely. I know this from my past. That was not only an industry, I was a board member of the Drupal Association. Drupal is one of the biggest open source projects out there in the world for a couple of years. And it’s really interesting how open source actually works. Because, well, it doesn’t go just by enthusiasm. It always needs money.

And the thing is, a project can only be successful if it is possible for others to earn money with the project. Of course, you can join and then hope that this coin gets rockets, but there must be a little more to that, actually. So with Drupal, what we learned is that we have to maintain just the core of Drupal. But then if somebody wants to build a website, they probably don’t turn to us. They turn to the Drupal shop on the next corner. And the Drupal shop on the next corner then makes a profit with that website and then draws out a little bit, but then also contributes back to the original software.

And this is how the whole thing grows. In Drupal we had more than 70,000 developers working for Drupal and we didn’t pay any of them, but they all got money. Because they all had jobs because it was possible to build business on top of Drupal. That’s the important thing.

And this is why we focus very much in KILT on the fact that it is possible to earn money with KILT. So if you are a trusted entity or building trust and want to build a trusted entity on top of KILT — like, half a year after we go live there will be another stage for that, so that you can build virtual organisations on top of KILT which accumulate trust — so if you are in a business like that or if you want to go into a business like that, then you can build that on top of KILT. But you can also be an integrator and just build software on top of KILT and start earning money with that.

I think building this economy is absolutely crucial for a lively ecosystem and this is why we have a strong focus on that. That every role, no matter if you are a validator, if you are a nominator, if you are a builder, if you are an entrepreneurial developer, if you are an attester, if you are an integrator, that all of those guys, according to their abilities, have the chance to grow on this. And there must be the possibility to live off it, right? You cannot trade on something you can’t live off in the long run. Sometimes you have to eat, right! And then you need some money to buy your food.

Brad [01:02:48] It’s amazing. And this is a decentralised global economy built in and embedded into this protocol. And that’s where the game-changer is. Not only is it the benefit of the block chain for the transparency and for the provability, but really it’s also a major game-changer because there’s something real built in that’s a unique technological addition to the layer one and layer zero tech stacks.

But you’re literally providing something that is an incentive by design to take on board and use and and reap the benefits of. I mean, that reward system that is being built in is really second to none. And it’s really what is, I guess, catching attention all the way to Wall Street, because it is a different classification. And this is what I did want to talk to you about.

Berlin and Germany are world leaders when it comes to being progressive in the blockchain. We know all the way to dena, we know to the government papers I’ve read. It is quite remarkable. And they definitely are supportive of this kind of innovation to really bolster, much like you see hubs of the world for tech. Berlin is no different, I guess, to Silicon Valley, some places in Hong Kong or in China, Shanghai, India. So you must be excited that you are in one of the world’s leading hubs to build out and play around with something that by design can really change the game when it’s married with something useful like these credentials that you are building into the layer ones.

Ingo [01:04:22] Berlin is fantastic. I can say that, I’m a born Berliner. Yes. It is, it’s fantastic. But it’s also really nice — when we saw the blockchain scene emerging here from 2015, 2016, 2017 on, where the Ethereum builders were here, where also other new companies like Ocean came up here. And it was very, very intelligent people and a very international crowd. It was really, really nice. We had blockchain meetups every night. You could get your pizza and beer there and listen to really highly intelligent people.

We’ve got the whole Parity team — or, not the whole Parity team, but most of the Parity team — sitting in Berlin. Which was very helpful for us, of course, because we could not only video conference with them, but also meet them in person. That’s just two kilometres away. That’s also nice because it builds personal relationships, and even in computer science, personal relationships are really important.

Brad [01:05:32] I want to ask you also, I follow a lot of the things that Gavin’s involved with, and he is obviously a staunch advocate for the tech first. You don’t see him in a lot of interviews, but you just know this guy is all about the integrity of the technology first and foremost. I would imagine the relationship you’d have with people like Gav would be pretty important because he sees the value of what you’re doing. You’re in Berlin. He’s been building Parity from the outset. So, do you liaise, do you engage, do you connect with who is essentially the co-founder of Ethereum and the builder of Polkadot?

Ingo [01:06:07] Well, basically, we know each other, but it’s not necessarily that we engage every day and make plans together. I think it’s far more important, actually, that the devs of the teams work together. That’s bigger because this is where the news comes from. Right? And when Parity changes something in Substrate or so, it’s so important for us to get very early information on that, to have somebody to talk to and say, “whoops, now my code is broken at this point. Did you change anything?”

Those things, I think, are much more important than the strategic alignment because the strategy of Polkadot is one thing. And it’s good that we know what’s happening there. But we don’t have to align all the time. The whole thing was built as an ecosystem. So we are basically doing what we think is important and what is right. And we do our stuff and we are just linking up to their system and utilising what they have built. So it’s not necessary that Gavin and I make strategic decisions.

Brad [01:07:11] Right, and that’s the way it should be. I have noticed that Gavin does support you with his own tweets of you. Obviously, you know, the fact that you’re on that testnet indicates a lot with regard to that mutual support indirectly.

Brad [01:07:25] So it’s great to know and again, I agree with you, I think the tech needs to speak. It’s not about the fomo and the hype of certain personalities in the space leading things, and that’s certainly not Gavin’s agenda. It’s more about letting the tech talk and you utilising it how you see fit. And that’s definitely what you’ve noticed from the technology, from what you’ve been saying and what you’re doing now, which is essentially building upon what is already available. And then letting others use you for their own purposes.

So with regard to things like the full SDK. I want to understand, is it all ready now for access? Can anyone go and use that in this testnet phase? And also, any other things that you’ve built in beyond the SDK? How much is actually ready and being used now?

Ingo [01:08:11] Yeah, so the SDK is, I would say 100% ready. There’s going to be a new release, but this is minor changes in…next week I think. That should be the final release for the SDK actually before going live. So everything’s there, everything’s open source. Go to dev.kilt.io and find the Github pages there. Find the 101s and how to install it, how to use it. And if you get stuck, just jump on our Riot channels and get the devs directly and ask them why you’re not going forward.

Brad [01:08:45] So the devs are relatively accessible for other devs if they need to connect.

Ingo [01:08:52] I think this is happening all around the ecosystem. So basically there are lots of Riot channels from all the projects. We never had any problem getting in touch with anyone. And we try to live up to the same standards, also be as accessible as possible. When five hundred projects ask at the same time, then it is a sign for us that we obviously need better documentation. Right now they still can develop.

Brad [01:09:25] Absolutely, and that’s great to know because having that access to you is going to mean so much as people are trying to just grapple with the gravity of what they’re embarking on; if they’re new, perhaps, to blockchain or new to some of the technology that you’re building out. And certainly the SDK is a great tool for them to engage. With regard to things like client demos as well. That’s available, as I understand. So how is that working in the context of the SDK? Are there other things and demos that you provide for parties as they are starting to really want to utilise the protocol itself?

Ingo [01:10:02] Yes, what we have is a demo client that everyone can access at demo.kilt.io. We have a faucet where you get some Mashnet coins, which is our testnet coin, and then you can play around with that and that’s basically built for if you have a great business case in mind.

And this involves credentials and well, maybe something like delegated trust. And so as one entity delegates trust to another entity and this entity then issues a credential and somebody then looks at it, and whatever. So with the demo client, you can basically build those scenarios very easily on the live testnet. It’s not a fake. So when you start it’s connecting directly to the blockchain and you can start building your business cases on that.

And then if you see that the business basically works with that technology, if you want to build your application, then, as the demo client is, of course, open source as well, you can just take this piece of software and hack it into pieces and reuse pieces of that to more easily build your application, because it’s a nice piece of software. So that as a developer, you can understand what’s happening there and you can just use the pieces and build up your system easier with that right on top of the SDK.

Brad [01:11:26] And it’s good that you have all of this ready now. I mean, you really are coming out of the blocks, literally, so to speak, with so much ready for 2021. And we like to see that when it comes to those who are exploring these new technologies, coupled with economies. And in that sense, I wanted to also ask you about your comment more generally about staking.

Because that seems to be a really innovative way to add democracy, to add support for legitimacy in what you’re building, but also just sheer value in enabling an economy. So do you think that staking more generally is something that is not only innovative but necessary to build out the initial support and attention and interest in something like KILT?

Ingo [01:12:15] I think staking is really, really important because we decided a couple of years ago to move away from proof of work. First, proof of work is not really sustainable.

Brad [01:12:26] A bit too much work!

Ingo [01:12:29] Yeah, that’s a catastrophe for the environment. And if we have better technologies at hand, like proof of stake, then we have to use that. We cannot go back and say “proof of work is also nice. Please have big KILT coins farms out there.” You don’t want that. I think that’s the first notion that we need to do. And then there’s a necessity inside any permissionless blockchain system that is decentralised to be de-incentivised to do wrong things. And this is what you do normally with the proof of stake system. And this is why you need staking.

And then after that was found out five years ago, then people started thinking about, hey, actually there are interesting economic models behind that, which can also not only de-incentivise people, but which can also incentivise people to do things, right? And there are different ways you can go there, like nominated proof of stake and stuff like that.

And I think the direction in which the Polkadot and Substrate things moved is actually extremely well thought out. Because it has a lot of democratic ideas behind that, which are extremely cool. And it’s not perfect. Nothing is perfect. And that is not a true democracy, of course, again. But it is far closer to a democracy than maybe all the other things we see out there. So we are absolutely happy to adopt these technologies and those mechanisms also for our system.

Because they are economically very sane, I would say, and they are producing the current maximum of democracy within the network, which is not the optimum probably that we will ever see — so there will be new developments after that — but I think it is the best we have right now. So, yeah, that’s it. And it’s there. So it’s there to use and be built. And this is another thing, right? Like other people are using KILT because they don’t want to implement this boring credential stuff; we can use Parity Substrate, Polkadot, Kusama mechanisms to actually not reinvent the wheel on this nominated proof of stake thing. So we’re basically tweaking it. But we are 98%, I would say, using the mechanism that Polkadot and Kusama already proved work, obviously.

Brad [01:15:17] Yes. And I think people underestimate Kusama thinking it’s just simply a testnet. And we know it’s so much more than that for specific use cases. For certain parties who want to have, perhaps, a less expensive — in terms of cost and tinkering — system as opposed to that really gold star or gold standard parachain with the Polkadot network itself. Making sure that differentiating use cases for both is important, not just simply saying that one is the step to the other. It’s just not the case. You would know that, because you certainly are involved in both of those core technologies.

Now, the roadmap, I wanted to ask you again, it’s not definitive, but I have read a bit into some of the interconnections, and I thought you could clarify or confirm. It does seem to me that certain entities in Berlin, beyond even the blockchain space, are paying attention to you and can see the benefits of this. And I mentioned this in the context of some of those local government bodies. I listened to some of those — the ones that aren’t just in German — I listened to some of the presentations that happened there. And it’s really interesting because there’s so much interest from the top down coming from Berlin and coming from Germany. Do you foresee in the near future, more of these kinds of announcements that come out that showcase that KILT is going to be embedded in the real world so that the average person can read in the paper that this company has partnered here and is doing this.

Brad [01:16:46] Will we see more exposure of KILT in the real world? So people understand it’s not just a blockchain game for crypto-savvy people.

Ingo [01:16:54] Yeah, we’re pretty sure that this is going to happen because we’re being involved. We tried to pay attention to our surroundings in the beginning. And one of the surroundings, obviously, is the crypto scene, which is important for us because we’re part of that. But there’s other worlds out there. And there are some people in the crypto scene who say we don’t have to recognise them because we are happy in our bubble.

But we said from the beginning, actually, we have to recognise the outside world and the outside world consists of people, industry and government. And we tried to make connections there as soon as possible. And the merits of that is probably that now governments are sometimes very much interested in building projects, not only in Germany, by the way. Right now, we are talking with a South American..

Brad [01:17:45] You can’t tell me too much, can you?

Ingo [01:17:46] …about a climate thing. That would be extremely exciting to also have a footprint there. And if you talk to those people, if you respect them — OK, you’re from government, you might have a little bit different views on things — but we are not being bad. We’re trying to build a supportive technology, which might be interesting for you as well. And if you consider thinking about using such a technology, maybe it’s also beneficial for you. And then people start thinking about that.

And this is why a project like the German Energy Association is doing a project with us. This is why we are part of the Gaia X project, which I’m extremely proud of, which is the European cloud infrastructure. We are one of the first members there as a company. And the other companies in there are basically like the German Telecom with two hundred thousand employees or something. And then it’s us. And it’s good to be there.

It’s beneficial for them because in this case, we definitely bring very, very new ideas. And it’s beneficial for us because if a thing like a European cloud infrastructure should ever be really, really successful, it’s already got KILT baked in then, that would be cool. So, yes, I think we will see a lot more of those things because we didn’t do any big marketing things around what we do.

Brad [01:19:16] Yeah, I don’t think you needed to. And you also are backed by some of the most reputable in this space when it comes to start-ups, when it comes to people. Or even if you are working relatively independently in that context, you are still using the underlying core technology. And we saw the likes of Energy Web, for example, and you mentioned some names that they’re also aligned with. And that’s because you see such immense support from that mainstream arena of business enterprise.

And what was great about the parties that you’re involved with is, you’re not discounting the value of enterprise either. It’s not just simply the narrative of DeFi, a.k.a. cypherpunk or right at the end of one continuum. You actually appreciate the whole broad spectrum from one to the other and everything in between. So with the roadmap, because it’s been a long interview and I do apologise for the length, there’s so much I want to get out of it. What excites you most coming up? Because you are the CEO, you certainly are privy to stuff you’re not telling us today and respectfully so. But what are some of the things that you’re excited that you can tell us about the KILT roadmap that’s coming, that you feel very confident is going to unfold in the way intended because you’re on time so far?

Ingo [01:20:25] Yes. The most important thing for anyone who builds a blockchain is basically a token generation event. And then the phase after that until we set the thing to complete decentralisation. So this is going to be an extremely exciting time for us. We don’t have an exact timeline because we still don’t know when we get the parachain, because we don’t know when the parachain auctions are.

Brad [01:20:48] But not months away.

Ingo [01:20:52] We expect this for the very, very near future. And this is the most important time for us because the blockchains are a little bit like a rocket, right? You fire them off once and then they lift for themselves. And if you did something wrong, then it’s a really big mistake. Or you have this, like Polkadot did, this transitioning phase from after the token generation event to the decentralisation, where we have maybe six weeks to a month where we have the Sudo key and can still fiddle around with the system.

So we have a rocket with training wheels, which is good. And this period of having a rocket with training wheels is probably one of the most exciting periods of my life.

Brad [01:21:42] Absolutely. And, you know, what Ingo, I have to say, perfect timing. And this was fortuitous by circumstance, because now we see the market in the way it is. We see the conditions are ripe. We also see most importantly, that there is so much support in the crypto community for Polkadot and for multichains and for integration, for collaboration, for Ethereum, for DeFi, for Web 3. Now you’re coming out with the reputation of all of that, plus the credibility of all the time you spent building this. And we can see it. It’s transparent through the code and you have the use case.

So there’s so much going on. I’m very excited for you, for this new event that’s about to unfold. But beyond that — you’re going to be subjected to a lot of hype — is what excites you post that, when you really start to see, as a lead developer, as a lead, a sort of initiator in this movement, beyond the live moment, what’s something that is going to really showcase your value to those who want to start to tinker more? Is there anything at all that you know about that you can tell us post a major event coming up.

Ingo [01:22:48] We could talk about this project or that project, but…

Brad [01:22:51] …you’d have nothing to talk about later.

Ingo [01:22:55] ..but they would be really, really disappointed because they didn’t get mentioned. But I think that everything that’s growing adoption, and maybe growing adoption in the big wave, is going to be very exciting for us. After that it’s basically growing adoption. That’s what we are going to do in the next two to three years after that, grow adoption for the whole thing.

Brad [01:23:22] So just a couple more things I want to ask you. One was the competition question. Now we’ve seen the likes of Litentry emerge. Litentry is something that arguably has its own unique value proposition. It also has come forth prior to you. I wanted to ask you some specifics about that with regard to the claims potentially of all the differentiations of both in the context of identity. Because one, on the one hand, there’s arguments for KILT, there have been suggestions of off-chain authorisation to issue credentials as opposed to potentially on-chain. Another argument is put forth for Litentry. So I wanted to ask you, can you clarify exactly if there is even competition or are they different? And are there any others aside from Litentry that you have your eye on?

Ingo [01:24:08] Well, it’s always complicated to talk about other projects because I don’t know exactly what they’re doing today. So that can also change. What I have in my mind is that Litentry is more about producing reputation on-chain and utilising other chains for producing this reputation. So you have a reputation on this network, have a reputation on this network, and they are aggregating the reputation.

So this is actually an interesting use case that could be used also with KILT, because when you talk about reputation, you normally don’t talk about your reputation. Normally when you are in the credential space, you’re talking about the reputation of the attester. So when you show me your university degree, it’s not about your reputation. It’s about the reputation of the university. Because I look at the credential and say, oh the university is great, so this guy must be great. So it’s about this reputation.

Ingo [01:25:19] And I think that an area of cooperation could actually be that we could use the Litentry system to build the reputation of attesters in there. And then those attesters issue the normal credentials to the people. But this is something…we are talking for a couple of months with Litentry.

Brad [01:25:42] This is super interesting because you have all attestation information in your white paper. It goes into detail about that aspect as well.

Ingo [01:25:49] Exactly. And then they are concentrating on something else. They’re concentrating on the reputation part. We are not really concentrating right now on the reputation part. So if they do a good thing there and if they actually manage to utilise the Polkadot ecosystem for receiving some kind of reputation from other chains, that could be valuable to aggregate with them and then use this power of reputation for building attesters. So actually, for me, it’s not a case of competition. For me, it’s a case of potential cooperation.

Brad [01:26:29] Exactly. And that’s what I was hoping because when I was researching. I couldn’t really see how the idea of competition come up. It was just someone brought me the question actually, in the community and I wanted to clarify that with you. So it’s exciting to hear that they have a unique value proposition.

Brad [01:26:45] Yours sounds like it’s very vast, though, in the sense that once again, you are specifically about that verifiable credential embedded in all potential startups and all potential uses of the technology right across the board. So it’s going to be interesting to see how this unfolds. And again, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a partnership that does emerge that’s meaningful between the two of you.

One last thing I want to ask you. I think I can already guess the answer, but are you going to engage in marketing or what’s the strategy here? Because I will say this. You don’t come across like someone who is playing games with a lot of the, sort of, more questionable things we say with influencers in some respects from certain sort of lower-tiered start-ups where they almost rely on immediate hype. Sounds like you’re going to approach this very differently.

Ingo [01:27:34] Well, yeah, so what will we do with marketing? So we will have to do more marketing based on the technology, because when the technology is out there and it has the first use cases, then I think it’s really, really interesting to have those lighthouse projects out there and then also talk more. So this is computer science and computer scientists don’t talk. So this is why we were a little bit silent maybe in the last three years.

We have to change that a bit and talk more about the technology. I don’t think It’s the right way to do this.:.well, I’m always happy when one influencer says KILT, because that feels to me like we are recognised, so that’s really cool for us, but this is probably not how we will actually get the word out to industries and governments and bodies like that. So I think, influencers are important and it’s good that they like us and I hope they like us.

But it’s also important that we are a part of, for example, the International Blockchain Association, that we are part of the Blockchain For Europe initiative and things like that. I think there’s a lot going on on the interface between the blockchain world and the old world, right? And so we engage a lot in those things as well.

So that’s really important because what our goal is actually, as I said, for the next three years, we have to build adoption. This is where everything comes together. It’s nice to have good technology out there, but if nobody knows about the technology, it’s useless, right? Now if you can build for three years the best possible rocket…

Brad [01:29:41] Exactly. And what a time to come out. Now you’ll ready to go, you’re ready to fire the engines and showcase that you are able to achieve adoption because you spent the years. And it is time for you to come out of the blocks as well and go with your team. And I had a look at them. If anyone wants to know more about the team, there is so much information. There are so many credentials, again, no pun intended, but there are a lot in the team itself of KILT Protocol.

Now. As I said before, there’s a lot that’s going to unfold here. It’s very clear you’re in a position that’s primed for the attention of all the crypto space right now. They’re hungry for more in this market. And they’re certainly looking for the best reputation, the best credentials, the best technology that can really prove itself as you move forward and you’re primed to go. So with that in mind, thank you so much for your time. For those who survived this very long interview, it’s been an honour speaking with the founder and CEO of KILT Protocol.

Again, if you’d like to know more, I put links in the social media. I’ll make sure that there are links for those who are devs who want to learn more and can interact with devs based on the feedback from Ingo after the interview. And also, just don’t forget, credentials is the word, but it’s all about embedding into the technology. It’s about making sure that it is provided for a very specific trust aspect of the trustless world that we are currently all trying to support for the future.

Ingo, is there anything you’d like to say as one final comment to the people on behalf of KILT Protocol?

Ingo [01:31:14] I don’t have anything else. I’d like to thank you for the excellent questions. That was really, really good and a very nice interview. Thank you very much for all the questions and for digging so deep into what we do, which would obviously enable you to ask those very specific questions. Very cool. Thank you.

Brad [01:31:34] You’re super welcome. And if it’s okay with you I’d love to catch up with you again, especially after these events are about to unfold, because it is always about that continued support, free, transparent. Everything you represent is the same for me. I definitely want to see you grow in the future to really transform legacy models that need to change. And you are definitely part of that conversation. So keep going Ingo, keep leading this team out and don’t stop, mate. It’s only going to get more exciting, as we see the blockchain show what it can do.

Ingo [01:32:04] Thank you.

Read to Part 1 of “Essential Credentials for Web 3.0” interview.

KILT is a blockchain protocol for issuing self-sovereign verifiable, revocable, anonymous credentials and enabling trust market business models in the Web 3.0.

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